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This belongs in the Gaming Lounge.

Moved

Why is Tidus a prick and the worst main charecter ever?

Have you seen how he dresses?
And what the hell is up with Blitzball?

tidus isnt the worst main but i cant think of a worse one right now he is just like so conceded, and as for blitzball they needed to make some sort of creative sport that wasnt really ever thought of befroe sort of like how there are minigames and everything in most of the final fantasys, like ff8 where they had cards, or ff7 where they had a whole play room of games and stuff at the golden saucer :emo:

Why is Final Fantasy Seven so overrated and have so many fanboys even though the game, plot, graphics, characters, etc suck?

first off its a matter of opinion, so you saying its overrated is just you FF7 is an amazing game with a really nice story line (especially if you played crises core then regular 7) and also your complaining about graphics and stuff yeah im hypocritical when i say graphics dont matter but they dont, the characters yeah some of them were just like okay is this needed but others made the story line win. so really though its a matter of opinion so think what you want im not here to convince you :what?!!:

It's called an opinion, loooool.
But seriously people who bash a game just because it has tons of fans are just as bad as the fans themselves. FF7 is a decade old game that came out on the first playstation, sorry if the PS1 wasn't capable of rendering pubes that flowed in the wind in 1080p. Square's first attempt at a 3D FF was good for it's time and of course if you look at it by today's standards you'll think it's shitty an dated. But again it's all opinion but it doesn't change the fact that FF7 is one of the top-rated FF's ever and it was an amazing leap from the old SNES days, say what you want but it's a worthy game in it's own right.

way to go lion way to help FF players prove a point,

besides that, i can help in the following,
FF tactics
final fantasy 1
final fantasy 3 (coming soon)
final fantasy 4 (coming soon)
final fantasy 7
final fantasy 8
Final fantasy 10
final fantasy 10-2
final fantasy 12
Fianl fantasy 13 (when it comes out lol)
other square enix stuff like
star ocean till the end of time

Meh, honestly, I don't really care for graphics. SNES > everything else in my book. Story, Characters, Gameplay ftw. (Honestly, if a game were to come out in 8-bit sprites right now, but has an epic story to go with it, I wouldn't give a damn. I'd play the game 'cause of the story)

FF7's story was completely awkward and went off track way too many times; not to mention that the characters were ridiculously unoriginal.

Honestly, emo spiky-haired main character with big sword? Check. Ripoff of Vash the Stampede/Alucard/[insert other character with red cape and guns here]? Check. Token big breasted heroine? Check. Dead love life? Check. Stereotypical black man? Check.

I can keep going if you want me to.

Yes, it's one of the top-rated, but that's all the fanboys talking.

Oh, and if I did care about graphics, I can always pop up the whole "FF7 vs FF8 and FF9" argument.

FF3 > FF2>FF1> FF4>FF9>FFT>[insert unlisted FF games here]>FF7>FF12

You can't think of one because he is the worst main charecter, I've seen emo teenagers less annoying

Then don't ever complain about the graphics in an old game, it's just petty. You say SNES>Everything else but that in itself is being a fanboy especially since most could argue that the story and characters in the first 6 Final Fantasy's were cliched and unoriginal. Also the gameplay for every single FF except XI and XII are basically same so I don't really understand that. (With the obvious exclusion of the active time battle in a couple of the FF's)

Opinion, some consider the story the best of them all and some say it's the worst. I personally am in the middle of the road here but again it was original for it's time. Actually every FF had an unoriginal story besides XII if we look at it that way, yeah Politics>Cheesy ass love story/Orphan children who have to save the world/Troubled hero setting out on a journey etc. As for the characters when did you ever see an "emo", big sword wielding, main character in video games before FF7? Big Breasted Heroine (Honestly what video game DOESN'T have this but FF7 was certainly one of the first thank you.). Stereotypical black man, NEVER seen a black guy in games before FF7 and Barret's design may have been stereotypical but his character was done well. (Whether the cursing is because he's black or just because it's just part of his character is debatable especially since Cid also curses.) As for the dead love life? It's not exactly dead if he has Tifa oggling him all the time, honestly I'm glad there wasn't any deep love scenes in this. If you want cheesy love scenes go to FF8 or FFX.

I LOL'd hard here, so you're saying that all the critic's that rated FF7 high are fanboys? Ignorance. Face the facts, for it's time FF7 was a good game and again you have todays standards to compare it to so I see it as unfair. Final Fantasy 7 was received well by both fans and critics and while isn't the best game or FF ever it's still a good game that also singlehandedly brought RPG's into the main stream, it deserves all it's fans just for that.

Sorry, just lol'd really hard at that. Chrono Trigger set the standard for RPGs IMO. Also, Japan doesn't care for Final Fantasy, therefore it didin't bring the game into "mainstream" as you call it.

Say what you will, but I still don't like FF7. I suppose we should just leave it as a matter of personal opinion? Seems like the best thing to do here before all the fanboys rush and maul me before shooting me a couple times and leaving me for the vultures.

I meant in America. Before FF7 came out Final Fantasy had a much smaller group of fans then it had after it came out. It basically made RPG's popular. But yeah it is personal opinion which is why I don't see why it's hard to get why FF7 has a ton of fans. People like the game, simple as that.

Eggplant's argument seems to be: My opinion is better than everyone else's opinion IMO. FACT.

And seriously, FF3 is your favorite? I know it's an opinion, but it's more of a grind-fest than anything.

I'm the go-to-guy Jr. We have to have a duel of Final Fantasy knowledge (as long as it covers FF1-9, since I haven't played 10 and on, and almost none fo the spinoffs).

*talks tough but is actually not that confident*

What's with you shoving words in my mouth? I never stated that "my opinion is better than everyone else's."

IMO mean "in my opinion," therefore, sure, it's fact that that's your opinion and I'll respect that.

Also, FF3 being the original, not the DS remake. :/ (in US numbers, therefore being FF6 Japan IRC). Same applies for FF2 (Japan's FF4). etc.

future dictator right there.

how many final fantasy games had a main character that was a girl?

Well now that list makes more sense now. You don't need to explicitly say your opinion is better than everyone else's, but you come into the topic and kind of act like it. But whatever. What's everyone's opinion on Chocobos? I find them to be quite loveable tbqh.

Someone say Chocobo?

Awwwww

sorry i have been gone for a while looks like lion ripped this topic up on itzeggman though so i thank him lol and as for graveman wanting to be know it all jr guy i d c go for it you can cover final fantasies<lol>that i havent played yet, btw nice picture for the chocobo,sVVVV

First, I couldn't understand most of what you said.

Second, I was sorta joking. I don't really mean to go into a Brawl-to-know-it-all with you, I'm just goofing you.

I know alot about most Final Fantasy games, like where to find certain enemies (if you're playing a game that contains a Bestiary and you want to complete it), boss strategies that make you nearly untouchable in most cases, equipment and Job Class settings that make you most godly, etc., ways to cheaply but effectively grind levels, where you can get Blue Magic/Lores/Enemy Skills... losts of things.

For example, Final Fantasy VIII. If you Junction 100 Ultima spells to your Elemental Defense, it will either reduce or completely eliminate damage from the majority of the elemental attacks thrown at you. Not that many people know that.

yeah i see although im the same i know alot and i mean alot of all that stuff like what you said for ff8, you also easiliy lvl up all characters in that game to lvl 100 in the place were your going to go fight ultima weapon. those monsters are all lvl 100 if i remeber correctly and those also give you star fragments and energy crystals, which are used to make strongest weapons in game,

Uh, there's really no practical use for "leveling up" at all in Final Fantasy VIII. Every enemy and boss in the game is about as strong as Squall is. If Squall is at level 30 by the end of the game, enemies will be about that strong, including the Final Boss. The higher up you level, the harder the game is to beat.

That's why the primary method of getting stronger in Final Fantasy VIII is to junction high-level magic spells to your stats, not fighting battles and gaining experience to level up.

yes that may be but if you like a challenge like me then you would level up, and i also have high magic junctioned as well and i believe i also have evey summon if i remember correctly, i dont have to worry about high level monsters or anything though because ill just kil them with a limit, lol aura) and yeah there is only one thing i cant beat thats omega weapon but thats it

1) You should probably use capital letters and punctuation marks so we can understand what you type up.

2) Getting all of the Guardian Forces in Final Fantasy VIII isn't a hard thing to accomplish. It's no biggie, having them all. In fact, there are two methods of collecting them, by beating them in fights or drawing them from other bosses during the game or by drawing them from the bosses in Ultimecia's castle at the end of the game.

3) If you can't beat Omega Weapon, I think I know why: because you insisted on leveling up.

its not like he is a real threat to me, i just cant out last his whole over million hp because i want to have a challenge i like challenges in final fantasy otherwise there is no point

i was just making a statment about all the gfs in ff8 and how i have them all, im not here to fight with you on statisitcs

lastly leveling up should be somthing you should do, because it seems as though you dont like fight uber high hp monsters and stuff is that because you fail or because you cant beat them but i can
even at higher levels, i dont really care about omega weapon he is the last thing i need to beat to have completey dominated the game

TOPIC CHANGE, KTHNX

I'm playing Final Fantasy 1, Anniversary Edition on the PSP.

I'm at the part where you need to kill Lich (The second Vampire boss.) I've just gotten the Earth Rod from Sarda or whatever his name is, and I'm wondering at about what level I should be at. I think I'm in the 22/23 range.

Why do you think you're better than everybody in Final Fantasy?

Alright, my real question is if Final Fantasy IV worth buying for the Nintendo DS?

Alright, well, imo, this is a definite buy. I herd the difficulty makes this game alot more challenging then regular RPGs. But I guess if you're willing to grind a few levels before each boss, I think this is a game for you. But then again, I could be wrong. :x I don't have it, but I want this game badly.

At that point in the game, you're pretty much going to survive against Lich. As long as you heal your team constantly, have your White Mage use NulBlaze on your party to reduce Fire Damage and use your strongest fire spells (probably Fira at that point), and you're sure to win.

SORRY IN ADVANCE FOR THE WALL 'O TEXT.

Personally? I'm mixed betwen liking it and disliking it. The 3D graphics are great, and I love the voice acting, especially Kain's, but there's a lot of unnecessary changes to the previous versions that drive me batshit crazy.

1. The enemies and bosses are on crack, and are therefore more difficult to beat. They had no damn reason screwing with what made the previous versions good. They have more HP, they have switched attack patterns, and most enemies can counter-attack just about anything you do to them. They counter you when you use items on them, physically attack them, use magic on them, and even summon Eidolons to damage them. And each counter is pretty brutal. For example, summon Leviathan when you fight Bahamut and he'll counter by using Mega Flare, which pretty much kills the whole party instantly and it CANNOT be reflected back to him this time around.

2. On top of that, Matrix Software wants you to beat the game 3 times in order to get everything in the game. When you fight guys like Cagnazzo, Golbez, CPU with Attack and Defense nodes, and Dark Bahamut, you'll wish you never bought the game.

3. The Augment system is dumb as hell. Some party members who don't stay in the party by the end of the game will give you Key Items called Augments that allow you to permanently equip any character with one of their abilities. Why does this suck? Firstly, you have to give Tellah, Edward, Cid, Yang, Palom, Porom and FuSoYa two of your Augments, each, in order to get 3 of each character's augments, even though you might want what you'd have to give up. Another reason this is bad is because it replaced an awesome feature from the previous version of FFIV for the GBA: the ability to switch anyone but Cecil out of your party for Cid, Yang, Edward, Palom and Porom to give the game to add an element of modern strategy to a dated game. Now you have to give their abilities to the original final team. Screw that shit. There's a reason Kain never had Porom's Cry ability in previous versions. BECAUSE HE'S NOT POROM. Edge is not Yang, Rosa is not Edward, and Rydia is not FuSoYa. In the GBA version, if I wanted a character to use Yang's Kick or Palom's Bluff, I put those characters in my team.

4. I hate that they added Geryon and Proto Babil, the Ruby and Emerald WEAPONS (superbosses) of this game. Final Fantasy IV Advance had two perfectly good superbosses already, Bracheoraidos and Zeromus EG. There was no need to put no-name superbosses in this game.

It's a mixed bag.

No, you don't "grind a few levels". Bosses like CPU, Attack Node and Defense Node could be beaten in previous versions at level 45. I friggen had to be at level 60 to BARELY survive in this version. I call that required power leveling. It's not a few levels, it's 25 levels more than required.

Don't get me wrong though, most bosses are just as easy to beat as they were in previous versions. It's just that in this version there are a few bosses who cheat their asses off.